Posts: 247 300 WSM Vs 7mm Rem Mag Which is better for big … Mag. By Ron Spomer. I have also tested a variety of 30 cals, 300 win mag, 300 rum, 30-378, 30 Lapua, and so on. ", The 7mm Mag has a reputation for being a little unpredictable in load development. My .300 WSM is below my head height now so I very rarely have an issue anymore. The guy was one of my elk-hunting mentors, a firm .30-06 guy, and he was serious. The 7mm Rem Mag vs. the 300 Win Mag #6134752 02/04/12: Joined: Dec 2008. has an obvious weight advantage, topping out at 240 grains. Join Date: Feb 2008. I Shot a few Northern Canada whitetails over 325 pounds. Regardless of where your allegiances … Was wondering does anyone have much experience with the newer 7mm WSM (short mag) and how you think it compares to my Win mod 70 .270. Rifle wise I'm looking at Browning X bolt hells canyon, Howa Stainless, maybe a Sako but they're pricey, or maybe even a Sauer. Mag, 300 Win. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Mag. The way I heard it, bullets from a 7mm RM are going so fast they don't have time to expand so they zip right through the animal. Wait till you get that 7mm WSM sorted out Gene. Campfire Ranger. 15.64 fps 30.4 foot-pounds Astute readers will notice a few things from these numbers: Additionally, the .300 Win Mag has a shoulder moved further forward than the 7mm Rem Mag. M-700 in 7RM--a Sendero v.1 and it's a fine cartridge no doubt. jwall I don't know how we have endured the nightmare. Thread Starter . Winchester, seeing the wisdom of the .308 Norma Magnum and an opportunity to produce a .30 caliber magnum with the Winchester moniker, extended the case length from 2.50″ to 2.62″, shortening the neck length to 0.264″ to give plenty of case capacity while still fitting in a long-action receiver. OP. Anybody willing to give odds whether this thread will last as long as the .300 Weatherby thread? I was most always hunting Deer when the Elk showed up. My .300 WSM is 5" shorter than my 7mm Rem Mag was (22" barrel vs. 26" barrel plus the action is about an inch shorter). Shooting game past 400 yards really isn't a good idea for anyone. Driving a 180-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2960 fps, Winchester’s .300 Mag. If building a tactical rifle that uses AICS magazines, both calibers can use the same chassis and mags. Some calibers, such as 7mm Remington Magnum, offer more choices than others (7mm WSM, for example). I have had several 7mm Mags over the years that have come and gone. It's because nearly all gun manufacturers keep putting the WSM cartridges in short actions so you can't shoot low drag bullets. For me it would be the 7mm RM. The elk won't know the difference. I've taken much game with the 308, and my Weatherby 300 Alaskan too, but that 7MM-08 is a sweet package as well, plus light on recoil. I have both. Elk Cartridge Showdown: .308 Win vs. .300 Win. Mag. His name wouldn't be morris by any chance? It’s been all over with me on hunting trips, including Africa, Canada and here at home. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations . The 7mm RUM is really only a good option if you are shooting ultra long range. My vote and what I have personally is the Rem 700 XCR Long Range in 300WM. Dang, you're right. But can't decide between the 2. Washington State . One thing the 300 Win mag has going for it is it will cycle a bit more smoothly on average. Winchester recognized the demand for a high velocity, flat shooting, sub-.30-caliber cartridge and announced the .264 Winchester Magnum in 1958, chambered in the Winchester Model 70 Westerner. Think, pronghorn, mule, and fallow deer. used the 7mm alot from the 80s and for me it was a pretty hard kicker not much less than a .300 Win Mag. I've only shot one elk with my .300 WSM. I have shot many deer with it, 4 elk and every one was dropped in it's tracks. I know not the answer you were looking for, but there it is. We did feel the need to mention it, but both the 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag cartridges can drive nails with some practice on your end, and they can do it from a distance. Not a choice in the question but think a .308 is enough gun. Mag. Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum vs. 300 Winchester Magnum, Large Mountain Lion Spotted Outside Dallas, Head to Head: .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield, Head to Head: .444 Marlin vs. .45-70 Government, 2020 National Rifle Association of America. Comparing the two, the .300 Win. At least some companies like Remington and SAKO put the 7mm Rem Mag in rifles with 3.6" magazines so it can shoot low drag bullets. Poor old things. In 2004 I took my 99 .270 WSM and a light .375 H&H. 300 Win. The 175 grain bullet worked well on Elk and caribou for me. But the 300 WSM would Work fine. Co. What is meant by an "all-around" rifle cartridge and what are the criteria for choosing one? I’ve found that the versatility of bullet choice gives the .30s an advantage—if you appreciate the “one-gun” approach. 7mm Remington Magnum (7.2x64mm) 1. To engage this 7mm RM vs. 300 WM argument you have to be willing to pick at nits because, bottom line, both cartridges (and many other magnums like them) are winners. Joined: 08/17/2002 . Whichever rifle I liked more. The post-World War II era saw a return to the hunting fields, and a wave of cartridge development followed, with Winchester releasing the .264, .338 and .458 Winchester Magnums in the 1950s, all based on the belted Holland & Holland case shortened and blown out. No rocking, no slamming to the ground. I used 180 gr. I would tell you a 7mm Rem Mag or STW was perfect for any size deer even at distance. vs. 338. is a hard hitting and accurate cartridge, offering a 150 fps velocity increase over the .30-06 Springfield. I’ll be hunting Deer, Elk, Hog, and Moose as well as shooting targets up to 600 yards. Some might agree the 7mm mag may be alittle flatter shooting if range is an issue but with either gun the projectile makes all the difference in range and energy. With a variety of bullets from most of the prominent mfg's in weights including, 140, 150, 160, 168, 180 and now 195. I really prefer a 338 win mag. I have a 300wsm in a finnlight and it is a gem. Posts: 2,213. I have seen my son drop several elk with one shot with his 7mm Rem Mag with 160 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw's and deer with 160 gr Speer Mag Tip handloads. Thread Tools 05-13-2008, 09:49 AM #1 ox1443. He just soaked up two rounds to the shoulder and one to the neck before wobbling and falling. If we look at the graph, the first thing you should notice is that all ten rounds generate a pretty significant amount of recoil with all over 24ft.lbs of energy. Both make a great choice for elk, deer, African plains game and smaller bears, and both have the capability to be made in a mountain rifle for sheep and goats. 3.89 lbs. is i worth my time to get a 7mm wsm, i am looking at getting a browning X-bolt for hunting elk in either 7mm rem mag or 7mm wsm, the rem mag has 26 inch barrel and the wsm has 23 inch barrel would that make any difference, and i noticed that there is not as many factory loads for the wsm, but i have found a few that i know will work, and i plan on learning how to reload. I can see pros and cons for each cartridge. The debate rages on as to whether or not the additional speed is necessary, with both sides of the fence making valid points. Either will neatly terminate deer, sheep, elk and larger game so long at the shooter delivers the right bullet to the right spot. The popularity of magnum cartridges is undeniable; Americans have had a long love affair with speed, and I doubt that will end anytime soon. Which makes the better choice for the hunter? Based on the .404 Jeffery case the 300 Winchester Short Magnum delivers nearly identical ballistics as the famed 300 Winchester Magnum that has been around since 1962 but being a short round it can be used in short action rifles. Both camps have fervent followers, and both are highly effective in the game fields. As the 7mm Rem Mag is of smaller caliber than the 300 Win Mag, it is a very good choice for lighter, smaller animals. Rifling Twist: 1:9 to 1:10 3. Am thinking about keeping my .270, but am considering adding the 7mm WSM, mostly for longer shots in western mtns for Elk. If you like the idea of using one of these calibers for the bigger game animals, like Alaska/Yukon moose or brown/grizzly bear, I feel the .300 Win. John I always say I never recovered one but I actually did...I just keep forgetting. I have a 300 and 7mm WSM I use occasionally and although they work well, … This question must mean you didn't get a tag this year. Top. per sec. . Mag. 300 win mag. It's not because of the cartridge. My opinion is that the choice may heavily depend on what game animals you intend to hunt, allowing the bullet weights available dictate the logical choice. 300 WSM vs 300 Win Mag. RE: 300 WSM Vs 7mm Rem Mag Which is better for big game Both great for big game. I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. Hard choice to make for me as I like both cartridges, so it would come down to the rifle at hand. Like over 400 yards. Better all around for elk. Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? While I cannot appreciate the 7mm Rem Mag, I do have several 7 Wby's that I hold in very high esteem. I went back to the .308 until I went to Africa again in late 90s and then 2004. in 99 I took a .300 Weatherby and a .375 Weatherby. I’m looking into buying my next rifle and I drew the line at hard hitting hunting magnums from the .300 Win Mag, because I believe that is a bit too much for me, so I decided on the 7mm Rem Mag. Nonetheless, the magnums are extremely popular, and the two cartridges herein are possibly the most popular of all. 7MM Rem Mag. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”, "I used to have Bass rolling like thunder.........can't do dat no mo'. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. No surprise there, as both the 7mm and .308″ bore diameters have long been heralded as the two most versatile available, giving hunters all sorts of flexibility regarding the game animals they will handle. Win. I have never been interested in short mag cartridges. 300 Win Mag vs 7mm Mag. The best scope for 7mm Rem Mag can make your 7mm Rem Mag more competitive and powerful. I'm not a fan of WSM cartridges, but between the two, that is the one I would choose. With the velocities of both guns, inferior projectiles can break up at veryclose ranges. These calibers, along with similar calibers not evaluated (.264 Win Mag, .270 Wby Mag, 7mm WSM and 7mm Wby Mag) are optimally designed to take medium game at ranges beyond 300 yards. partitions on that hunt and dropped him in his tracks at 380 yards. These will give substantially better performance than the 308 and won't burn barrels nearly as fast as the 7mm mag. The 7mm Rem Mag overall length is slightly smaller than the .300 Win Mag – 3.34 inches against 3.29 inches. Survival. When we look at the price of the 7mm Rem Mag vs .300 Win Mag, it can vary from round to round. I think the question comes down to the gun on that one. Illustration courtesy of Hornady Mfg. The photo below does a great job of showing the differences in external … They are pretty much the same after the shot. has an obvious weight advantage, topping out at 240 grains. Now for Elk I would much rather have more power to anchor an Elk before it gets a chance to get into the thick fallen timber were we hunted in NW Colorado. Washington State. Bullet: 7.8 mm 4. For all practical purposes though, there isn’t a significant difference in the ballistics of the .300 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag at typical hunting ranges. # # # I could step up to a 300 magnum without question but have yet to see the need to, good ol 30-06 is already plenty enough gun by any standards. Posts: 1762 . Just put your shot were it needs to go. It betters the velocities of the .300 H&H Magnum; though it falls short of the performance of the .300 Weatherby Magnum, the Winchester variety can be housed in the standard long-action receiver, which is lighter and less expensive to produce. For those of you that have hunted with these cartridges, did you notice a difference in their performance on game at all? Joined Mar 2005; Posts 13693; EE Offline; FL, USA. I bought a Kimber Montana in .300 WSM several years ago and after several successful elk hunts, it is still in my safe. A Sako Finnbear and a Kleinguenther. 300 WSM.... 'cause there's been one in the safe since 2004; been handloading it since '04 and have some "pet loads" and because I don't own a 7mm mag., (but I've always admired that round). The 7mm-08 case is just slightly longer than the parent .308—2.035 inches vs. 2.015 inches—but maintains the … The 7mm-08 case is just slightly longer than the parent .308—2.035 inches vs. 2.015 inches—but maintains the same 20-degree shoulder of the .308 Winchester. i just worked up a load for a 24in stainless take off barrel i installed on an action i had laying around, Which would you choose 300 wsm or 7mm rem mag for elk, Re: Which would you choose 300 wsm or 7mm rem mag for elk, _________________________________________________________________________, "Supernatural divinities are the primitive's answer to why the sun goes down at night...". Which powder are you using to get 3113 fps with a rem mag. I’ve used it with lead-free 150-grain bullets for African plains game, 180-grain bullets for a good number of species and 220-grain round nose bullets for bear and deer. I have tested, owned, built and shot many 7 rem mags, 7mm-300 win mags, a few 7 stw's, a 7 RUM or two and others in the .284 family. I recently saw a rifle, in 7mm WSM, that looks interesting. ...I just don't like the WSMs. Base: 12.0 mm From the first look, there are no significant differences between 7mm Remington Magnum and .30-06 Springfield when it comes to profile. I Shot a few Northern Canada whitetails over 325 pounds. The 7mm Remington Magnum drives the wide variety of 7mm bullets, from 120 to 175 grains, at respectable velocities. I've been led to believe a ballistic tip isn't ideal for a thick skinned elk. I would tell you a 7mm Rem Mag or STW was perfect for any size deer even at distance. The 300 Win looks real good with bullets such as the 190 and 210 ABLRs BUT the 7mm Rem looks darned good with the 150's and 168 ABLRs as well. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. However, the distance from the case head to the datum line on the shoulder is longer for the 7WSM, preventing accidental chambering or firing of the .284" 7mm bullet in .270 WSM's .277" bore. The .300 WSM will kill elk instantly, but bullets from the 7mm Remington Magnum will bounce off. I no longer have a rifle chambered for either cartridge. 270 WSM = 400 to 500 yards 7mm WSM = 500+ 300 WSM = 500+ As someone stated earlier, most hunters do not possess the skill to shoot at these ranges. Or at least a participation certificate. Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'. More than adequate for moose and Elk, low recoil, high velocity. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations . However, if you apply the same thinking to the .270, .308, or .30-06, it would limit their range to 300 yards were they reach the 1500 ft … Especially a Supermoon, which can change everything.... Jim, sounds like the same guy I used to work with in Idaho. Perhaps my experiences can aid you -- or warn you -- in the selection of your next elk cartridge. We shot and compared three popular options to help you decide on the best elk cartridge for your style of hunting. Some with the big 7's.. Mag. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum vs .300 Winchester Magnum ammo rounds. One was a cow elk at 357 yards, free handed nothing near by to steady. More Guns. .300 Wby,read it here on the 'fire that it's the best ever cartridge for elk. Latest. 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